In the midst of the COVID-19, news has come out that there has been a significant drop in humanity’s environmental impact. Many have taken the opportunity to push a “humans are the virus” narrative. Paul and Andy look at the the truthfulness of this interpretation as well as some darker implications of this rhetoric. Ultimately they ask, what are the big takeaways from the these recent developments and how can we talk about them in a constructive way?

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Coronavirus lockdowns have sent pollution plummeting. Environmentalists worry about what comes next. (NBC News)